Category: Discernment

  • God Told Me!

    God Told Me!

    Rev. Paul Woodburn is the pastor of our home church in Toronto. He wrote a great congregational letter in January. With his permission, I am sharing it here.


    1 Thessalonians 5:19–22 (ESV)

    Example 1

    “God told me,” the visiting evangelist said, “that there is someone here who is suicidal. If you come forward for prayer right now, God will set you free.”
     
    What he didn’t know, could not know, was that afternoon a woman had come early to the tent to speak with him. Instead of finding the semi-famous evangelist, she had found me. I was a twenty-something-wet-behind-the-ears, tired and frustrated volunteer worship leader setting up equipment for the evangelistic service scheduled for later that evening.

    There is no way he could have known that she had slit one of her wrists before noticing the ad in the paper advertising the crusade. No one told him that her afternoon search for him was her one final, desperate lunge at hope.
     
    But I knew.
     
    The moment the evangelist spoke those words I began to scan the faces of the crowd. It was the after-service prayer-time and I was at the piano gently playing background chords. Given where I was sitting on the stage, I had a clear view of the crowd that had gathered that night in one corner of the parking-lot of the local fair grounds. I finally spotted her tucked into the shadows. She was standing just outside the tent as though frightened of what she might find inside.

    As the evangelist continued his call two or three people stepped forward for prayer. Obviously, in a crowd that size there would be many people wrestling with suicide. I freely confess, that as he prayed with those who had come forward, I thought, this woman, still hiding in the shadows, had lost her chance to receive a miraculous touch from God. But when he had finished praying with those who had come forward, the evangelist continued to call.

    “There is someone, God has told me, a woman, you’ve come here desperate. God can change all of that.”

    My intent is not to argue the point. I am not going to try to explain it. I am not going to debate with you whether God still speaks to His people or not.

    I have seen it. What’s more I have lived it. I know it’s real.

    But…

    Example 2

    “God told me.” That was his reply as he sat confronted by the leadership of the church. Some were confused, some were angry, most were hurt.

    Their pastor had been having an affair with a married woman.

    “How could you?” they wanted to know. Probably not the best question to ask given the situation but understandable given the circumstances.

    His answer?

    “God told me to.”

    God told me…

    I don’t know what it is with Christians. We like to argue in extremes. Then we love to make our extremes normative for all people, for all time, in all places. One side argues “God speaks to people! Look at the proof!” The other side argues, “It’s a manipulation tactic used by people who simply want to have their way! Look at the proof!”
     
    Couldn’t both be true? Couldn’t it be true that God still speaks to His people AND that there are people who attempt to use “God told me” as a means of manipulation?
     
    So what do we do? How do we know?
     
    Check out 1 Thessalonians 5:12-22.
     
    Did you catch it? In the New Testament Church hearing God speak is not an “individual sport”. It requires the discernment of the Body. The BODY!
     
    What if instead of saying, “God told me we need to do this NOW!” We were to say, “I think God might be leading us in this direction. Can we exercise 1 Thessalonians 5:21 together? What do you, my brothers and sisters in the faith, think about this direction?”
     
    Using my opening examples, the first, “God told me”—with the evangelist and the suicidal woman—would have been (and was) affirmed.
     
    The second “God told me” of the adulterous pastor would have been challenged. Two families, a church body, and an entire local community could have been spared immense sorrow and deep wounds.
     
    Maybe God was onto something when He called us to interdependent, covenant community!

  • How Can I Know That I’m Hearing God Correctly?

    How Can I Know That I’m Hearing God Correctly?

    Sometimes people ask “How can I know that I am hearing God correctly?” There are a lot of ways to answer this question. We can talk about ways to test what we have heard from the Lord. (We cover this in week 3 of the Listening to God course). Or, we can also talk about our hunger for certainty and how this desire for certainty opposes a walk of faith.

    But I have frequently found that behind the general question is a specific, unhappy experience. The person has asked the Lord a question, thought they received an answer, acted on it, and then things have turned out badly. The person is left feeling confused. In this newsletter, we’ll talk about how to process such an experience.

    How to process a confusing experience

    Here are some thoughts on how to move forward in such a situation.

    I'm confused! How can I know that I am hearing God correctly?

    Photo by Sherise Van Dyk on Unsplash

    1) Describe what happened

    Often, what is not needed is a general answer to “How can I know that I am hearing God correctly?” What is needed is a way to process the painful experience.

    The first step in processing is to tell exactly what happened. If you are processing your painful experience with someone, you can explain the whole situation: the underlying event, what question you asked God, what answer you received, what action steps you took, and what finally happened. If you don’t have someone safe and wise to process with, you can describe all this in your journal.

    2) Describe your emotions

    When something goes badly, we may feel like we are a failure. Or we may feel angry at God. Or we may become dismissive and say, This life of trying to hear God’s voice doesn’t work for me. I’ll go and backslide for a while. (OK, maybe we don’t say that, but we might give up on trying to follow the Lord so closely.) Most of these emotions are signs that we are withdrawing from our relationship with God—exactly what the enemy wants. Identifying your emotions can show you whether you are withdrawing or not.

    3) Ask the Lord how he views you

    You may be surprised to find that the Lord is not judging or condemning you for your failure.

    4) Ask the Lord how he wants you to move forward

    We often want God to explain the whole situation in detail. We want him to tell us why things turned out the way they did. Sometimes God does explain things, but not always. Normally, the only thing we really need to do is take a single step forward. You can say to the Lord, “Lord, this is the situation I am in. What is one step forward that I can take?”

    Does this make sense? Let me know what you think.

    Photo of man sitting on the ground by Nathan Cowley

  • Hearing God and Hamburger Helper

    Hearing God and Hamburger Helper

    Recently, my mind has been drawn to an email from my friend EM. With EM’s permission, I’m including the main points of his email and my reactions below them. His email is in regular text and my responses are in italics.

    EM friend wrote…

    I’ve been seeing an increase in listening prayer in our community in the USA and I have been thinking about how to help people grow in this practice while avoiding the pitfalls of inherent in trying to hear God’s voice.

    A couple of recent examples have made me thoughtful:

    • A young man was a candidate for a church office, and he felt like he had clearly heard from God that he would be chosen. He wasn’t. This has been an incredibly difficult journey for him emotionally.
    • Another man thought he heard from God that he and his wife should buy a specific house. Someone else from his church was already in the process of buying it, but the man was able to step in and take it away from the other family. A year after they bought it, they ended up moving away.
    Picture of house with a "sold" sign in front.

    Here is my attempt to create some principles. I’m curious to know if these resonate with you or if you would go a different direction.

    1. Instead of “God told me…” people should learn to say things like, “It felt like God told me” or, “I sensed that…” Using language like this opens the door to others’ input and to the possibility that they didn’t hear correctly.

    Neil: Absolutely. I almost never say “God told me…” until after the fact. In my course I mention what I call “The myth of certainty.” We are almost never 100% sure we are hearing God correctly until after the fact. This ought to encourage a deep sense of humility in our journey of listening.

    1. Recognize that hearing from God often comes through our senses and that not every detail we perceive may be accurate. One teacher said that we often do hear from God, but we tend to add Hamburger Helper* to fill out what we heard with more specific details from our own imagination.

    Neil: I fully agree with what you have written.

    Hamburger Helper product photo

    * For those not from North America, Hamburger Helper is a packaged food product consisting of dried pasta with powdered seasonings. The consumer combines the contents of the box (our own imagination) with browned ground beef (God’s revelation) to make a one-dish meal.

    1. Look for confirmations. Godly, mature people affirming what you heard can function as confirmation. Situations can also be confirmation. For example, if you think you heard that someone has back pain and you should pray for them, if you ask them and they confirm their pain, that is likely a sign that you heard correctly. If they say that they actually have pain in their foot, then perhaps you had the right sense, but not all of the details. And if neither, perhaps you just didn’t hear correctly. Often confirmations come when we look backwards. My Amish grandfather heard an audible voice one Sunday afternoon telling him to go study Scripture because he would be called to the ministry someday. Years later, he was in an ordination by lot. I don’t think he told people the story until after his ordination, but it was incredibly faith strengthening for him and for many others through the years and it helped prepare him for ministry!

    Neil: Amen. What an encouraging story!

    1. Measure everything by Jesus and the Word of God. If it’s not aligned with Scripture, we should question what we heard.

    Neil: Amen!

    1. Godliness opens the door for us to hear better. As we move into holiness, our hearts are less cluttered and more able to hear other things God speaks to us.

    Neil: Amen and amen!

    1. Have people who can speak into your life. If you sense that God is calling you to do something radical, get input from godly, mature people. We shouldn’t treat people as the ultimate decision maker, but I am very slow to go in a new direction if godly people who know me well don’t affirm that what I am sensing is from God. Part of this is recognizing the Holy Spirit in other people and that God often speaks to us through other people.

    Neil: Amen! In addition, life-changing decisions should be given sufficient time. When I was praying about starting a business, I asked a number of people to pray with me about this. When things got tough, I looked back and said to myself, “It wasn’t just me who asked the Lord about this. Ten others did too, and they got the same answer.”

    1. Recognize that God has spoken clearly through Scripture. Perhaps 95% (or 99%) of the guidance we need to follow Jesus and live a fruitful life is found in Scripture. Prioritize a Scripture-saturated, prayerful life, walking in the fruit of the Spirit. As you do, then you will be in a far better place to hear from God. I think part of our job as teachers is to remind people that 95% of what we need God clearly reveals through Scripture and 5% comes from the mystical/experiential realm (or 80/20 if you want to be generous) and not the inverse.

    Neil: The only point where I would disagree a bit is in the ratios. Yes, God has given us the Scripture, and we treasure it, learn from it, use it to keep us in boundaries, and hear God’s voice through it. But I also treasure a walk with the Holy Spirit where I turn to him for help, comfort, and direction many times throughout the day. During those times of turning to him, I often hear his voice within my heart.

    1. Treasure the greatest gifts: The Holy Spirit at work in our lives, people brought from darkness to light, being sons and daughters of God, hearts transformed into the heart of Jesus, the fruit of the Spirit evidenced in the lives of believers. As we treasure these gifts, we are less likely to misuse or misunderstand the other gifts that God gives such as physical health, material blessings, healings, or words of knowledge.

    Neil. Amen! Thanks, EM, for your great comments.

    What about you? Do you have something to add to the conversation? If so, scroll down to the very bottom of this page and add your comments.

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    House photo by Trista from Pixabay

    Hamburger Helper image from Walmart. I don’t think they will mind the free advertising.

    Classic Hamburger Helper product photo by Evan-Amos

  • Lions and Wildebeest

    Lions and Wildebeest

    There is a danger we can fall into when listening to God’s voice. That danger is isolationism: thinking that me and the Holy Spirit is good enough; thinking, that since I can hear God’s voice myself, I do not need other believers. Let me illustrate the danger of this kind of thinking.

    I grew up in Kenya. During the school holidays my parents would take us to the Tsavo National Park. There, from the safety of the car, we would spot, gazelle, warthog, wildebeest, elephants, and on occasion, a pride of lions. Wildlife experts tell us that when lions hunt wildebeest, they work as a team. First, they run through the herd to scatter it. Then they focus on one animal separated far from the herd, and attack. An animal away from the herd is no match for the attacking lions.

    I suspect that Satan and his forces follow a similar tactic. If the powers of darkness can get us to isolate ourselves from the body of believers—from the church—then we become easy prey. Hebrews 10:25 tells us to not give up meeting together. This verse is a warning against isolationism, from getting separated from the body of believers, and thus becoming an easy target for our enemy the devil who prowls about like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. As we listen to Jesus, let’s make sure we stay connected to a body of believers.

    Lion photo by Bharath Kumar Venkatesh

    Wildebeest photo by Pawan Sharma on Unsplash

  • Growing in Discernment

    Growing in Discernment

    When listening to God, one of the key learning points is distinguishing which are God’s thoughts and which are our own.

    A couple of weeks ago, I was in town, looking for a multi-port fast charger for my tablet and phone. I had brought my tablet with me and tested the charger that the shopkeeper showed me. Although the device charged, the fast-charging function didn’t work. I decided not to buy the charger. As I was walking out of the store, I received a strong impression that said “buy it anyway.” I resisted that thought and went home. At home, I wondered was that the Lord? The impression sounded like the Lord, but it didn’t make sense logically. I wasn’t sure. I decided to buy the charger anyway the next time I was in that part of town. I reasoned that paying $5 was a small price to pay for growing in discernment.

    I bought the charger a few days later. I took it home and tried it on all my devices, and the fast-charging function most definitely did not work. Several months later, all but one of the charging ports failed completely. I never got good service from the charger and I never developed an ongoing relationship with the shopkeeper. No good came out of that purchase. I have since concluded that the strong impression to buy it had not been from the Lord.

    As I reflect on that event, several learning points come to mind.

    • Not every thought that pops into our minds is from the Lord. We must grow in discernment.
    • Most of the time, particularly when we are learning, there is a measure of reasonableness to God’s voice. If we continually receive impressions that have no basis in logic, and no clear good comes out of them, then we must learn to reject those impressions.
    • The proof is in the fruit. If the Lord tells us to do something, we can expect good fruit to come out of it. In the story in the post Too Tired to Decide, our reader found good fruit in the impression she received. They had a good time in their meeting together and were glad that they had met. If the Lord speaks, there will be good fruit.

    May the Lord bless you as you grow in discernment!

    Photo by Pedro Paiva

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